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Post by angel71242 on May 4, 2008 17:12:48 GMT -4
That would be awesome!! Thanks for checking into it!!
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Post by Ghost at work on May 10, 2008 21:12:26 GMT -4
Hello, I'm new to this story. My question is, would a store really have been open on Christmas Day? I've read a book on the history of Christmas in America and it became a holiday in the mid 1800's. What is the name of the covered bridge?
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Post by angel71242 on May 11, 2008 0:26:00 GMT -4
Here are two quotes from the forum at www.bodproductions.com about the stores being open on Christmas Day... "Over the years, I have run into a lot of people who doubt that the store was open since it was Christmas Day. In our modern world, where, when they put Christmas stuff out in stores, you know it must be nearly Halloween, people just can't comprehend this, or wrap their thoughts around it. Here, again, we have a case of it being a different era, and people projecting modern ideas onto it. In that time period, Christmas was NOWHERE NEAR the commercialized thing it is now. Stores often WERE open on Christmas Day, at least for part of it. My grandparents, when they were alive, remembered this well. So it's not unusual to find that that store was open for Arthur and Sanders to go to to get ammo. Most businesses were likely open at that time of day, except, perhaps for banks (they may have been open too, I just don't know.)." and another... " Other people have also wondered and questioned about a store being open on Christmas Day. What we were told, and is in the documentary if I'm not mistaken, is that alot of people who owned business such as a hardware store back then also lived with their families in that store. Their living quarters were usually on the upper floor or in the back of their place of buisness and as the lady who told us said, the owner of the store would have been more than happy to let Arthur or any other customer in to buy something they needed even on christmas day." As for the bridge, I've never known it to have a name except maybe "The Lawson Memorial Bridge". The top part of the bridge was made from actual pieces of the Lawson cabin. The bridge is on the property where the Lawson's lived (private property) but in the winter when the trees are bare you can see it from the road.
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Post by michael818 on May 12, 2008 17:33:18 GMT -4
You simply cannot put modern thinking upon those olden days. Stores were most assuredly open. My grandparents remembered this as part of everyday life.
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Post by clifton3452 on May 13, 2008 6:59:40 GMT -4
can someone explain what these are exactly
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Post by angel71242 on May 13, 2008 8:35:25 GMT -4
can someone explain what these are exactly What are referring to?
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Post by angel71242 on May 13, 2008 8:36:49 GMT -4
One other thing I would like to say about the stores being open on Christmas Day....this information came from the mouths of the people who were alive and there when the murders happened. It was printed in the papers back then. Just wanted you to know that it is not something that was just made up.
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Post by chris on Jul 27, 2010 1:17:13 GMT -4
The not a cabin or a barn. The house still stands. I know it from a fact. I'VE BEEN IN THAT HOUSE. It is very creepy. I know this because its just right through the woods from my friends house. and the fence that goes around the house still stands. By the way the pic someone has on here isnt even the right pic.
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Post by crystal0814 on Jul 27, 2010 8:48:02 GMT -4
Unfortunately, the house was town down, and the covered bridge that remains on the property contains wood from that house. The house you may have visited could just be a very old house...Also, it is said that a family member of the Lawson family - who was getting ready to pass away, brought to light the reason why Charlie Lawson committed his crimes. It was said that Marie age 17 became pregnant by Charlie, her father, and the idea of this being known drove him to madness. Marie was baking a raisin cake the day she died. It stood on display many years after the murders, then it was buried...Strange, I know. And to dismiss the idea of Dillinger having anything to do with the deaths: It is RUMORED that Dillinger visited the house AFTER the murders while the local townsfolk were conducting tours there. It is told he left a note on the door stating he was present at one of the tours. Nothing more.
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Post by michael818 on Jul 27, 2010 16:21:29 GMT -4
The folks who are real authorities on this case brought to light a few years ago that a man named John Dillinger did indeed visit out there. He was one of the very first North Carolina State Troopers, NOT the famed gangster! lol... Also, while that scenario about Marie being pregnant by Charlie has found some credence, there is absolutely no way to verify it as fact. And the way this info was garnered from this poor lady was inconscienable (SP?)! I know many won't agree, and let the firestorm of disagreement commenece, but I believe now that Charlie was suffering from advancing dementia. There is anecdotal evidence to support this, such as him stopping in mid conversation and simply walking off, drastic changes in mood and character, etc... Plus, "that book" says that Dr. Helsabeck said that when he examined Charlie's brain, he found a "DEGENERATION" of it. NOT physical damage, such as would be assumed to come from the mattock blow to his head, if that caused brain damage, but clearly a NATURAL degeneration... as in from DISEASE! I have been around more than one person suffering from Alzheimer's or another form of dementia, and they would do things totally off the wall, and out of character, including things attributed to Charlie, such as walking away in mid-conversation, Just stopping what they were doing and walking away to do something else, getting up in the middle of the night (YES, ONE of them to "check his guns"), and other odd things. It just fits too closely. So, the yelling, "No he didn't have that!" begins???
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Post by michael818 on Jul 27, 2010 16:26:46 GMT -4
Sorry, Man. That old place was torn down in the early to mid eighties, and a new house was built by Mr. Watts. I don't know where you were, unless you were in one of the places falsely attributed to Charlie Lawson out on Payne or Edwards Rd., but you weren't in the Lawson House. And I repeat again, for those who insist the Lawson House was on Payne or Edwards, NO IT WAS NOT!!! The Christmas Day 1929 Lawson Murders occurred at the farm off what is now Brook Cove Road, near Watts Rd. And the Browder Cemetery, despite the USGS maps putting it on Payne, is ALSO off Brook Cove. Someone may have told you you were there, but they were decidedly wrong... Unfortunately, the house was town down, and the covered bridge that remains on the property contains wood from that house. The house you may have visited could just be a very old house...Also, it is said that a family member of the Lawson family - who was getting ready to pass away, brought to light the reason why Charlie Lawson committed his crimes. It was said that Marie age 17 became pregnant by Charlie, her father, and the idea of this being known drove him to madness. Marie was baking a raisin cake the day she died. It stood on display many years after the murders, then it was buried...Strange, I know. And to dismiss the idea of Dillinger having anything to do with the deaths: It is RUMORED that Dillinger visited the house AFTER the murders while the local townsfolk were conducting tours there. It is told he left a note on the door stating he was present at one of the tours. Nothing more.
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Post by michael818 on Jul 27, 2010 16:32:28 GMT -4
The not a cabin or a barn. The house still stands. I know it from a fact. I'VE BEEN IN THAT HOUSE. It is very creepy. I know this because its just right through the woods from my friends house. and the fence that goes around the house still stands. By the way the pic someone has on here isnt even the right pic. Just to be clear, HISTORICAL RECORDS clearly indicate where the Lawson House stood, and a review of the Stokes County Register Of Deeds proves it. The house in which Charlie killed his wife and four of the children, and the barn where he killed the other 2 kids, are all LONG GONE. You can argue all you want, but the FACTS speak the truth... AND the black and white photo of the house, unpainted at the time of the photo, IS the Lawson cabin. The WHITE house is the Edwards House that stood on Edwards Rd., often called Payne Rd. This photo was in the original pack of photos sold on the tours of the property, and has been recognized as the Lawson Cabin, not only by witnesses alive at the time, BUT by FAMILY MEMBERS! Legend is legend, and fact is fact. There is no denying the location, or the demolition of the cabin, and the use of some of its wood in the covered bridge.
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Post by Eye witness on Mar 29, 2011 13:07:50 GMT -4
I was born and raised in Walnut Cove NC which is where Brooke Cove Road is located. This is where the Lawson farm is/was located. I have heard the ghost stories about Charlie all my life and decided to investigate it. Me along with my husband and 2 grown sons made a trip there. The farm has long been gone but we did visit the cemetary where they are all buried. As we slowly made our way up the dirt road way back in the woods, the windows began to fog up, now keep in mind this was the middle of a Saturday afternoon in mid June. My husband quickly dismissed this event with "aw, that's nothing but sweat cause its so warm", we were all glad to accept that explanation. Even though all the windows were down and the "sweat" was on the windshield & rear window only! We got to the grave site and got out all very aware of the thickness that had accumulated in the air. The graves are surrounded by large stones and the mom & kids are buried next to each other but Charlie is buried off to the side by himself, understandablly. A wind began to blow through the trees and we got the distinct impression we were not wanted here. We spoke no words but all knew it was time to leave, so leave we did but a lot faster than we came in. The Payne Road story is an entirely different story all together. It is located in Stanleyville which is about 10 miles from Walnut Cove. The original spelling was "Pain Road". My brother-in-law was related to the original owners of this farm. The story to this farm is that the dad got angry because he had a bad year with his crops and took it out on his family. He took a shovel and killed his wife and 2 children in the house then went across the dirt road to the barn and hung himself. The blood stains could supposedly never be cleaned off the stairs where mom was beat to death. The surviving family boarded up the farm house to keep out all sight seer's. There was no power back then so there were no power lines to the house, but it was said if you rode by there at times you could see lights on in the house and a man hanging in the barn. We decided to check this farm out too, so we made the 10 mile trip to the farm, got out walked around the house confirming there was no way to enter it. We explored the barn only to find it empty. After a while we loaded up to leave and I happened to look back out the rear window as we drove off to see a light on in one of the upper rooms! The curtain was pulled back as if someone was watching us leave. I screamed to my husband to stop and go back & we did but by the time we got back to the house the light was gone. They also witnessed the light in the window. We got back in the car and left very quickly. So myth or legend sometimes the unknown is better left unknow!
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Post by michael818 on Mar 29, 2011 19:01:12 GMT -4
Edward Payne was a myth. Pure and simple. Census records, property deed records, etc... prove this. Charlie Lawson and the brook Cove area killinga are fact.
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Post by lettiedwestlake on Apr 1, 2011 13:10:32 GMT -4
We went down as teenagers....even went through the house. (Not the smartest thing in the world, considering it was owned by a woman who worked for the Sheriff's Dept lol)...nothing really weird happened then either.... Oh, and I have a pic of that house too in case no one's familiar with it! Gorgeous old place...I adore old houses. Pretty typical farmhouse of the area, definately not the "plantation" it is made out to be in many of the stories. The picture is looking cool. I think it's really a gorgeous old place.
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