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Post by mark alexander on Apr 28, 2005 9:07:51 GMT -4
me and my girlfriend took a trip down payne rd today. she used to live in winston-salem and has been down it several times. she says that she has seen headlights in her rear view mirror like a car was right behind her and a second later,nothing was there. we did not see anything today,we were going to get out and check out some of the old houses and shacks, but it started pouring down the rain so we didn't get out. i also know they used to hold kkk meetings down in the creek bottoms down there. i don't know how long ago this was, but they say that people were hung from the bridge down there. i have heard stories of cars stalling on this bridge and other sorts of strange happenings on this bridge. anyway,thats about it for today. if anybody wants to go back,i can take you right to it. i live about an hour away from it. talk to ya later,
mark alexander
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Post by Eikon on Apr 28, 2005 9:08:13 GMT -4
Hey Mark, This is great news, I wasn't aware you were so close to Payne Road. We have been discussing places to go recently and this location has been at the top of the list. The first time we went, we didn't make it past the bridge because it was so late, and also because we didn't know there was more to it. Have you been past the gate and down the road? That's what we're really interested in doing, but visiting the slaves shacks and the creek bottom would be cool too. Is it possible to walk the road? We saw some houses just past the electronic gate and weren't sure if it was safe to go any further, especially in our car. I'll talk to the rest of the group about this and see if we can get a plan going. I will email you whenever we decide on a date, as it would be great if you could join us. Regards,
Eikon
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Post by Lorrie Stacy on Apr 28, 2005 9:08:40 GMT -4
hi i am mark's girlfriend. I grew up in Winston so payne rd is pretty familiar to me. i have been there several times and seen some pretty strange things. the electronic gate your speaking of actually forks off of edwards rd next to a small cemetary. the forking rd has no sign naming it and seems to be the private property of someone. i have often considered slipping past it on foot, which is possible on either side, but i have always been hesitent to do so without the permission of the unknown owner. i have not been able to see anything down that road past the fence execpt for the dirt rd itself which is completly surounded by the thick forest that runs the length of both edwards and payne rds. however, if you continue past the forking rd and the cemetary on edwards rd, you will pass several dilapedated shacks and also a few more recently built homes that are currently inhabited. edward rd is long and winding and certainly almost as chilling as payne rd itself. when you reach the stop at the end of edwards rd, you may turn either left or right onto payne rd. if you turn left you pass basically the same type of scenary as you did on edwards, only it seems somehow to be more unsettling. near the end, there are three abandoned buildings and one such house that literaly catch your attention and don't let go, giving you a sense of foreboding that doesn't lessen when you pass. if you turn right onto payne rd, you will soon cross over a concrete bridge. there is also a road forking to the right in that area that looked to have an older man made bridge, but i have not yet had the pleasure of eperiencing that rd seeing as i did not notice it untill i was leaving one night and it was too dark to be sure of its safeness or where it lead. however, past the concrete bridge on the main rd, you will pass miles of forest with old shacks scattered randomly amoung the trees.at one point another rd crosses through payne rd, and the rd continues further. i have not yet been past that point. this brief description of the rds is completly lacking the true affect of them.they are both truely mysterious and strange, and i have no doubt of reality of its hauntings. i have experienced many myself on several of my visits that still give me chills to this day, and i am looking forward to further exploration of this area in the near future, for there is much i have not yet attempted. as for walking, i have done so myself in daylight many years back and explored several of the old buildings. even at daytime the place has its abnormal feeling to it, one that you don't soon forget. however it is a very long rd with un even land on its sides befor the thick,dark mass of trees engulf all else that may inhabit the area, so i recomend caution and plently of light weither day or night when walking. when driving the rds, have someone drive who won't panic and run off the rd or not hold one of the very sharp curves and run into the trees if "something" should appear for a moment in the rd, dart across the windshield unexpectedly or , most commonly, head lights appear from nowhere in the rearview, blinding you momentarily before falling back and vanishing once again into thin air. try as you might, i doubt you'll find a car or any other source for those lights. i never did. the mystery of payne rd is very real. you can feel it around you when you visit, and you don't soon forget that feeling.if you know of something about the rd that i don't, please fill me in, for the place holds my fascination firmly and i can't wait to return.
lorrie
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Post by Danielle Lyons on Apr 28, 2005 9:09:05 GMT -4
Ok, this is strange. I grew up here in Winston-Salem too and know the legend very well. We used to go out there as teens and stop on the old wooden bridge and turn the car off and try to crank it up, it would not. We would have to push the car off of the bridge before it would start. My grandfather would laugh at us and tell us we probably stalled out the car because we were so nervous. So tonight, of all nights by the looks of the dates on this thread, the irony has returned 18 years after I last experianced it. Here is what has happened. My daughter's boyfriend lives out Friendship Rd. in Germanton. One of the ways to get to this road is to take #8 all the way around or hwy 65 to #8. The third option is to take Edwards Rd. {which was one time named Payne Rd.} from the Rural Hall side all the way down to the stop sign. We did this today while picking him up to take him to our church fish fry with us. I told the kids all about what I had experianced as a kid and told them how the road was once dirt and the bridge was once a plank bridge. I showed them where the house once stood and in a way relived the fun of my teen years in story telling. Tonight I had to take the boy home and so the kids all begged me to drive down Payne Rd at night. I was no longer scared, like I was a teen and found an oppertunity to scare my kids and have fun with them. We turned onto Edwards {which really is Payne Rd.} As we got close to the drop-off on your right side, I started with "did you see that in the woods" and things like that. I slowed the van down to a stop as we got close to the hairpin turns. I told the kids we had run out of gas....they screamed, I laughed and we travled on. We got down to the now paved bridge and I told them I was going to stop, they screamed and we all laughed at it. When we got to the stop sign, we turned right and then at the next intersection {Friendship Rd} we went left. NOne of these extension roads have any hauntings on them. When we got home, a little while ago now, my daughter told me about the car that was behind us on Payne Rd that seemed to turn off into the woods. She said that when she told me about it in the van as it happened, I blew her off and said there was a road there. I do not remember saying that OR her telling me about the car. In fact, I had forgotten about the "car in your rear view" until she said that. Goosebumps in a major way. THEN, I get online and goodle Payne Rd. to see what I could find and I run across this thread which started only two days ago. Why did it start now? All we talked about at dinner with friends was Payne Rd. and the things they had heard. Never did the headlights come up in the coversation though. I will be more than glad to help you guys in anyway I can. I can even post the old story as I was told so you can compare notes. And the story I know is the one my dad told he that he heard in high school. This one has a long history to it. Peace Danielle Lyons right outside of Rural Hall, NC
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Post by Eikon on Apr 28, 2005 9:09:21 GMT -4
Hi Lorrie & Danielle, I want to thank both of you for taking the time to share all of this detailed information with us. I hope you don't mind that I have added your posts to our Payne road page. With all the confusion that is surrounding this place, I think it's important to chronicle all of this stuff for safe keeping and later research. s93151849.onlinehome.us/ghnc/payne.htmI have talked to the rest of the GHNC team and we have decided that we would like to revisit Payne Rd for hunt #15. We would love it if you and Mark could meet us at the graveyard to give us a grand tour. We will be taking around 3-5 people and will likely be arriving between 12:00am - 1:00am. I hope this is not too late for you to meet us. We have a general rule to never hunt before midnight. The date we have planned for is either April the 8th or the 9th. This is the date of a new moon and we thought that would be the best and most active time to go. The reason we have not finalized the date yet is because we wanted to check with you first. Please let us know which would be better for you; Friday or Saturday. If the whole weekend is bad timing, we will have to reschedule for the next new moon. Get back to me about whether or not you will be able to attend. Regards, Eikon
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Post by mark alexander on Apr 28, 2005 9:09:47 GMT -4
april the 9th will be the best date for Lorrie and I. MY BAND PLAYS IN FAYETTEVILLE ON THE 8TH SO THAT DATE IS TAKEN FOR ME. ANYWAY, LET ME KNOW WHAT EVERYONE DECIDES ON. THANKS,MARK ALEXANDER
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Post by Danielle on Apr 28, 2005 9:10:06 GMT -4
My daughter and I would love to meet you at the graveyard. I may be able to get a couple more who remember the tales and thrills we used to experiance down there. April 9th would be fine, as long as nothing else happens. I will keep in touch.
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Post by Eikon on Apr 28, 2005 9:10:22 GMT -4
That's great news, Mark & Danielle. This is shaping up to be our biggest hunt yet. Here's hoping it will be an active one The official date is Saturday, April the 9th, and we will be trying to arrive at the graveyard as close to 12:00AM as possible. We will meet/see you there! Regards, Eikon
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Post by JNX on Apr 28, 2005 9:10:51 GMT -4
Just one question. How come so many people get the Lawson family Murders and the Payne Road legend confused so much?? Their two totally different stories in two totally different towns...even though they are right next to each other....The Lawsons happened in Germanton...the Payne rd murders happened in rural hall. NOT THE SAME STORY...not even the same time line....the Lawsons happened in 1929...the Payne rd incident happened in the late 1800's...only thing strange is that the same creek runs through the same two plantations...so to yall who get the two mistaken...its two TOTALLY different stories that happened years apart. ok ive said my peace....any questions....e-mail me and ill be glad to answer them cause ive studied on the two alot.....even been on a hunt at payne rd with 7 paranormal a few years back. Thanx
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Post by Danielle Lyons on Apr 28, 2005 9:11:09 GMT -4
You should actually know what you are talking about before you speak. Edwards Rd./Payne Rd. starts in Rural Hall and ends in Germanton. Edwards Rd. turns INTO Payne Rd. right up from where the house used to be where the hairpin turns start.
I have lived here all my life and grew up with this. The house on Payne Rd. IS where the Lawson family lived and were murdered in December of 1929.
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Post by undefined on May 11, 2005 21:07:30 GMT -4
Wow, seeing as most of you have "been" to Payne Road I would think you'd get your stories straight. It's insane how ADULTS are convinced this legend is true. Don't get me wrong, every small town has their ghost stories, but this one is indeed a story and nothing more. There are two Payne Roads in Rural Hall, the other is indeed Edwards (Which does NOT turn into Payne Road. They are in the same general area, but not the same road.) and I don't know anything about the "Lawson" family being murdered on Payne Road, that was a happening in Germanton. Clearly brilliant ghost hunters such as yourselves have heard of the "witch" of Payne Road. I happen to personally know said "witch", and she becomes highly aggitated when people such as yourselves TRESPASS on her property, i.e. the creek beds and such. As a small child I PLAYED in these creeks and had a blast! The only person that died was a older man who committed suicide, once again MANY MANY years ago. Please guys, as adults, enjoy the story and stop making things up. There is no longer a bridge, the family house was burned down MANY years ago. I live 5 minutes from these places, and have also grown up with the story. Lets just take it at face value and enjoy it as a legend instead of making fools of ourselves trying to prove the existence of ghosts.
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Post by Griffin on May 11, 2005 21:12:47 GMT -4
Hi, first time poster, I found this website while I was looking for a replacement copy of White Christmas Bloody Christmas ( the book about the Lawson family murders). I've been living on Payne Road for nearly two decades.
First off, there are two gates on Edwards-Payne road, both lead to homes and are private property and do have people that will call the police if they see you skulking around
The bridge that cars supposedly stall on doesn't exist anymore, it was torn down in road renovations in about 1996-1997. Instead, pavement going over a cement pipe is where the bridge was.
Those "slave shacks" aren't really slave shacks. I actually went with some people ghost hunting, and they had rather modern looking windows. We also found a bag of doritos in one of them but that's another story. They are in fact, corn cribs and a meat house and have not been in existence for over 151 years (that's right, slavery was abolished that long ago).
That's all I have in terms of dissing your efforts.
However, turning onto Payne road going left off of Edwards does bring you very close to a graveyard up on a hill where I have seen something akin to strange glowing.
That's all I got.
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Post by Dan on Sept 13, 2005 3:24:57 GMT -4
Funny... I could have sworn that I posted a reply to this a little over a week ago. Well, that's okay. I'll just repost. How's that?
I went to the legendary Payne Rd. about a year ago. From Winston-Salem you get on University pkwy and go North, through Stanleyville to Broad St. After you cross the railroad tracks, you turn right on Edwards Rd. which is set at a backward angle. An old man who works in a near by store told me that Edwards is really Payne. I'm not sure but, according to Google Maps it is Edwards Rd. The only major landmarks to go by are that after you travel Edwards for a bit, you'll eventually see a small, white house up on the right with an old Plymouth Duster in it's yard. In case you don't know what a Duster looks like, The car is a faded golden-orange. Further on up the road, there an area that goes off to the right that is gated. Moving on... Beyond the gate, the road becomes wooded on both sides and the road -unless paved within the last year or so- becomes dirt. It takes a sort of down hill desent that gradually gets steeper and curvier as it goes. Along the way there are a few creepy old log shacks to the right. Eventually you get to a sharp curve that's almost "S" shaped. After rounding it you should see the ruins of an old house with a crumbling chimney to you left and some old shacks to the right. A little ways on up as you round the last curve, you should see an old bridege ahead. If memory serves me correctly, it's rails are covered in graffiti and a creek passes under it. Whether or not the old ruined house is the Lawson house, I don't know and I'm not sure if the bridge beyond it is the suposedly haunted bridge or not but, I experimented a bit (on the bridge) as it was getting dark and found nothing unusual or scarey other than the creepiness and loneliness of the area. It's a loneliness that makes you feel like you're miles upon miles from anywhere safe. It's weird. On up the road from there is a left and a right. I haven't been on either of these roads but, according to Google Maps, the one on the left is Payne Rd. while the one to the right is called Bolejack. Whether or not one of these is where the actual haunting is suposed to be, I do not know as I have yet to travel them. If I went to the wrong location and someone knows the proper location, please post it.
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Post by Dan on Sept 13, 2005 3:44:45 GMT -4
It's also funny how the two "Guests" posts that were posted before mine didn't apear to be here when I posted last time. I can't help but, wonder if my first post was removed because I dismissed the haunting and questioned the accuracy of some of the other poster's stories.
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Post by Dan on Sept 13, 2005 3:54:35 GMT -4
Oh btw, if anyone really does want to go looking for this suposedly haunted area one dark and creepy night, just let me know. My email is NCRadracer@yahoo.com Don't worry. I wont let the boogeyman get you. You'll be safe with me.
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